LiveMajor public sector strike affecting Somerset today

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  • Teachers, council staff, firefighters and civil servants taking industrial action.
  • Striking workers say they've faced pay freezes or below-inflation pay rises for years
  • Follow the latest developments here today and leave your comments

3:39pm

Bridgwater on strike earlier today.

Somerset County Gazette:

3:19pm

Somerset County Gazette:

THE scene outside Sedgemoor District Council's offices in Bridgwater earlier.

2:41pm

2:24pm

SOMERSET County Council claims the majority of its services continued as usual today despite the national one-day strike by unions.
At 11am it was recorded that 364 workers were absent due to the industrial action, 7% of the overall workforce of 5,020.
Cllr Anna Groskop, the authority's cabinet member for HR and transformation, said: “I’m pleased to see that most essential council services were able to continue as normal today with the vast majority of staff coming into work.

“Some of our services were reduced but most were able to remain open.

"We apologise to anyone who was affected but hope the public can understand the reasons why.”
Bridgwater, Wiveliscombe, Taunton and Priorswood Libraries were closed for the day with Glastonbury Library closed from midday. All other libraries, except Taunton Mobile Library, were due to provide services as usual.
The Museum of Somerset was also fully open.

Day centres for people with learning disabilities were closed with many staff redeployed to help individuals with their care needs.
Of the schools which notified Somerset County Council of their position, 17 were open, 12 were fully closed and 11 were partially closed.

 

12:06pm

THE NUT is warning there could potentially be more strikes next term.

Vicki Nash, divisional secretary South and West Somerset for the union, said there was no end in sight to the dispute.

She added: "The strike is part of our continuing industrial action - we're suffering from a lack of pay rises and an increase in pension contributions combined with a decrease in benefits and the expectation that we'll continue to have the same workload.

"The Government says if we don't continue on the same terms and conditions, they're going to put unqualified staff in classrooms instead of teachers.

"No child should be at the whims and mercy of someone not qualified to the level they should be.

"The Government won't sit round the table to talk. If they don't, this could escalate into the autumn.

"It's a great shame because no teacher wants their school to be closed to inconvenience children's learning or disrupt parents and the community we work in."

The NASUWT teachers union, which called members out on previous strikes, is not supporting today's action.

11:49am

Somerset County Gazette: SDC Labour Group Leader, Cllr Mick LerryCllr Mick Lerry, Labour leader on Sedgemoor District Council and Parliamentary candidate for Bridgwater and West Somerset, said: “Unions taking strike action on Thursday, July 10, are in dispute with their employers and they are using their democratic right to take strike action. Many of these Unions are also standing up for the public service they provide.

“The Government must realise that they have a responsibility to meet with the Unions to discuss their grievances and to make sure that there are good employee relations, rather than complaining about the action Unions take."

11:46am

Somerset County Gazette: Leigh Redman, who is also a Sedgemoor district councillor.

Bridgwater Labour Councillor and Unite member Leigh Redman said: “There is deep anger at this governments’ assault on public services. This is not just about pay.

“It’s about the pressure of huge workloads, the targets culture and the stress of bullying managers.

“People have had enough. Across Britain spending cuts have decimated local services. By 2015/16 the Con/Dem government will have hacked £11.3 billion from local government funds in England alone.”

10:53am

10:48am

A SPOKESMAN for the UNITE union said its members are striking for the following reasons.

*Local Government workers are the lowest paid across all public services with
many earning just above the National Minimum Wage.
*Two-thirds of members who work hard delivering local government services to their local community earn below £21,000 a year – the national average wage.
That’s around one million people.
*And of these over 400,000 people earn below £15000 a year. Local government is a low wage employer.
*Pay increases – when they have been received – have been below inflation
since November 2009.
*If the pay points had been increased in line with inflation then workers' pay would be at least £2,000 a year higher by now.
*The trade unions asked for at least £1 more an hour to start reversing the real
cuts in pay and want to ensure no-one in local government gets less than the Living Wage.
*The benefit of paying £1 more an hour would be felt wider than just local
government workers pockets. Out of every £1 in wages received by local
government workers, workers spend an average of 52p in local high streets.
*By taking industrial action workers are saying they're are fed up with receiving real pay cuts and are prepared to fight to get a better pay deal.
*400,000 job losses in local government since 2010 means staff are working more and getting less.
*Unite have stories from our members working in local government about what
they have had to cut back on in recent years; holidays, new clothes and shoes,
and even essentials like eating properly and visiting the dentist.

The information contained above is supplied by UNITE and represents the union's views.

10:39am

KRIS Ross-Osborne, Assistant Branch Secretary to UNISON Somerset County Branch, said: “While we will are on strike, our members will be showing their commitment to our communities in Somerset.

"That we believe that public services are important and worth fighting for.

"We’re clear that if we want to preserve them in the future then the staff that provide them deserve fair pay for the work they do.

"Anything less will inevitably lead to poorer services in time as staff struggle to make ends meet and keep a roof over their heads.

"With price rises outstripping wages for the past six years, and with interest rate rise predicted to rise sharply in the next two years, something has to change.”
He added that while local government workers have long been amongst the lowest paid in the public sector, the Government has had their pay and conditions squarely in its sights since 2010.

A pay freeze in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and well below inflation rises in 2013 and 2014 has sent the pay packets of local government and school workers plummeting back to the level of the 1990s.
UNISON South West, Regional Secretary Joanne Kaye said: “All of our members who work in Local Government contribute to the quality of life for all our citizens, in towns, cities and villages.

"They clean the streets, empty the bins and make sure the street lights come on at dark.

"They care for the elderly in their own homes or in residential care.
“All of these jobs are done in a climate of vanishing resources.

"The plasters on the grazed knees are all too often brought in by the school secretary herself.

"The home carer, given 15 minutes to care for an elderly person, who knows they will be the sole face that person sees all day, that caring front line carer who stays longer, working for free because walking out on time is too hard.”
She added: "365 days a year, our members work in roles they love, but which often take a huge emotional demand. And in return, they are told they cost too much, their pay is frozen year on year and then a desultory 1% offer is made.

"In 2010 when the Chancellor announced a public sector pay freeze, with £250 for those earning less than £21,000, workers in Local Government were left out, even though research shows overwhelmingly that money earned in wages is spent in local businesses and boosts the economy.”
UNISON is urging the employers to get back to the negotiating table with an offer that recognises the invaluable contribution members make to their local communities.
Belinda Burton, Branch Secretary for UNISON Somerset County Branch said:
“Council workers have kept on going in the face of four years of relentless government cuts to keep local services in Somerset running.

"These are people who care deeply about serving the public. They look after our elderly and our vulnerable, keep our streets clean and educate our children.

"They deserve better treatment than they have had at the hands of this government.
“Taking strike action is always a hard decision for our members but it is the only way left to them to  send a clear message to the government that they have had enough.

"Since this government has been in power UNISON local government members have not gone on strike over pay, deciding instead to accept the pay offer, but there inevitably reaches a point when this is no longer sustainable.

"The government needs to listen us now and change its mind.
“It’s not just bad for workers affected by low wages, it’s bad for local economies like Somerset to have so many families struggling to get by.

"A better pay offer would be of benefit to the wider economy and better for the government’s finances as the tax take increases and fewer families are reliant on in-work benefits, such as housing benefit and family tax credits.
“The employers must get back into talks immediately to avoid a damaging dispute.”

10:32am

10:30am

10:28am

TAUNTON Deane MP Jeremy Browne believes today's strikes will simply cause inconvenience as the country battles to get back on its feet again after the recession and hugh Government debt racked up.

He said: "People in the public and private sector have had to contribute to getting our economy back on track.

"We're starting to see some progress with the economy growing and unemployment falling.

"It would be a terrible mistake to give up now and go back to dangerous levels of borrowing.

"Nobody is claiming times are easy, but I don't think a strike will alter the fundamental economic reality.

"It will only cause inconvenience for hard-pressed parents and other people who rely on our public services and fund them through their taxes."

Somerset County Gazette: Jeremy Browne

10:20am

A UNION picket line outside County Hall, Taunton, this morning.

Somerset County Gazette:

10:07am

10:06am

10:03am

9:59am

FIREFIGHTERS in Somerset and the rest of the country are also on strike from 10am to 7pm today.

Fire Brigades Union members are protesting at Government plans to make them work longer, which they say is "unrealistic, unachievable and unaffordable".

Today's walkout is the latest in a programme of stoppages.

And firefighters are upping the ante next week with strikes on eight consecutive days staring on Monday.

Next week's industrial action will see them stop work from 6am to 8am and 5pm to 7pm on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

On Friday they will strike from 6am to 8am and 11pm to 1am.

Saturday sees them out from 11am to 1pm and 11pm to 1am. They will stop from 5pm to 7pm on Sunday, July 20. And they won't be working from 6am to 8am and 5pm to 7pm on Monday, July 21.

Bosses at Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Service have promised to continue to respond to 999 calls, while firefighters say they will break the strike in an absolute emergency.

9:49am

SOME schools are partially open, according to the county council.

They include Birchfield Community Primary School, Yeovil; Bishop's Hull Primary School; Buckland St Mary CofE Primary School; Cannington CofE Primary School; East Coker Primary; Hamp Nursery & Infant School; High Ham CofE Primary School; Horrington Primary School; Huish Primary School, Yeovil; Milford Junior School, Yeovil; Oaklands Primary School, Yeovil; Rode Methodist VC First School; St Mary's CEVC Primary School, Bridgwater.

9:44am

MEMBERS of the NUT teachers union are also on strike today.

Head teachers have decided to close a number of schools across Somerset due to a lack of staff.

Schools not open today (Thursday) according to Somerset County Council include Ansford Academy, Ashlands CofE First School, Avalon School Street, Bishops Lydeard Primary School, Bowlish Infant School Shepton Mallet, Crowcombe Primary School, Oake, Bradford-on-Tone & Nyenehad Primary School, Reckleford School Yeovil, Somerset Bridge Primary School Bridgwater, St Michael’s Academy Yeovil, Stanchester Academy Stoke-sub-Hambdon, Vallis First School Frome, Wembdon St George CofE Primary School Bridgwater, Wiveliscombe Primary School.

8:22am

MORE than a million people across the UK are expected to go on strike today as part of a dispute with Government over pay, pensions and cuts. 

Thousands of public sector workers in Somerset are expected to take part. 

This picture shows a previous UNISON demonstration in Taunton over Government cuts.

Somerset County Gazette:

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8:38am Thu 10 Jul 14

SocialistParty-SomersetBranch says...

The Somerset branch of the Socialist Party is proud to continue offering full and unequivocal support and solidarity to all public sector trade unionists in Somerset in your struggle to defend your pay and other conditions of service, as part of the wider struggle to defend our vital public services.


End low pay!

Fight until we win!

The TUC must seize this opportunity and the massive potential it presents. Public and private sector workers alike have waited long enough to unite and fight. The opportunity for a 24-hour general strike could be just a few months away.

For more information, or to join the Socialist Party, visit: www.socialistparty.o
rg.uk
The Somerset branch of the Socialist Party is proud to continue offering full and unequivocal support and solidarity to all public sector trade unionists in Somerset in your struggle to defend your pay and other conditions of service, as part of the wider struggle to defend our vital public services. End low pay! Fight until we win! The TUC must seize this opportunity and the massive potential it presents. Public and private sector workers alike have waited long enough to unite and fight. The opportunity for a 24-hour general strike could be just a few months away. For more information, or to join the Socialist Party, visit: www.socialistparty.o rg.uk SocialistParty-SomersetBranch
  • Score: 35

8:43am Thu 10 Jul 14

SocialistParty-SomersetBranch says...

The Somerset branch of the Socialist Party offers full and unequivocal support and solidarity, to all workers and trade unionists in their forthcoming strike against austerity on July 10.

The coordinated action over local government pay on 10 July will bring up to 1.5 million workers out on strike from across public sector unions. The 1% 'offer', following a three year earnings freeze, is a pay cut not a pay award.

Typical local government full-time hourly earnings are the same now as in the early 1990s. Part-time hourly wages have fallen to 2002 levels. 8% of full-time and 38% of part-time local government workers earn less than the living wage.

Meanwhile living costs soar through the roof: food bills up by 16%, electricity and gas by up to a staggering 57%. These price rises mean nearly a 20% fall in real wages with pay-day loans and food banks plugging the gaps for the army of working poor. 'Recovery'? Not for us!

Strike against austerity

But this strike and the mood that has led to the coordinated action is also about a whole lot more. We are battling a wholesale jobs massacre as local government is dismantled, jobs are slashed and public services sold off to private profiteers.

If our jobs have so far escaped the axe, we face increased workloads and pressure, and increasingly brutal disciplinary and sickness procedures in stealth job cutting by managers.

Enough is enough

Workers are reaching the point where they feel pushed to the limit by this demolition government of millionaires hell-bent on the destruction of public services.

Those of us who are school support workers in Unison and GMB have gained a massive boost in being able to strike alongside our teaching colleagues. Joint picket lines at school gates, refuse depots, libraries and council offices will, at last, give local government workers a feeling of our own strength.

Not a one-day battle

This fight will not be won on 10 July alone. In building for the ballots the message was clear from union members: this is no time for token one-day action. We demand a determined and escalating battle that delivers us a victory and a first mighty blow to the austerity agenda.

In the planned further action in September, the unions must use every weapon in their armoury. Our members in academy schools, who are not part of the July action, must be given the chance to fight, as should the army of health workers in their pay dispute as our NHS is dismantled and privatised.

The TUC must seize this opportunity and the massive potential it presents. Public and private sector workers alike have waited long enough to unite and fight. The opportunity for a 24-hour general strike could be just a few months away.

Things could move rapidly through 10 July and beyond as a mood of confidence and angry determination ignites among workers and union leaderships must not be allowed to lag behind and dampen the flames.

10 July is the beginning of a fight we must win.

For more information, or to join the Socialist Party, visit: www.socialistparty.o
rg.uk
The Somerset branch of the Socialist Party offers full and unequivocal support and solidarity, to all workers and trade unionists in their forthcoming strike against austerity on July 10. The coordinated action over local government pay on 10 July will bring up to 1.5 million workers out on strike from across public sector unions. The 1% 'offer', following a three year earnings freeze, is a pay cut not a pay award. Typical local government full-time hourly earnings are the same now as in the early 1990s. Part-time hourly wages have fallen to 2002 levels. 8% of full-time and 38% of part-time local government workers earn less than the living wage. Meanwhile living costs soar through the roof: food bills up by 16%, electricity and gas by up to a staggering 57%. These price rises mean nearly a 20% fall in real wages with pay-day loans and food banks plugging the gaps for the army of working poor. 'Recovery'? Not for us! Strike against austerity But this strike and the mood that has led to the coordinated action is also about a whole lot more. We are battling a wholesale jobs massacre as local government is dismantled, jobs are slashed and public services sold off to private profiteers. If our jobs have so far escaped the axe, we face increased workloads and pressure, and increasingly brutal disciplinary and sickness procedures in stealth job cutting by managers. Enough is enough Workers are reaching the point where they feel pushed to the limit by this demolition government of millionaires hell-bent on the destruction of public services. Those of us who are school support workers in Unison and GMB have gained a massive boost in being able to strike alongside our teaching colleagues. Joint picket lines at school gates, refuse depots, libraries and council offices will, at last, give local government workers a feeling of our own strength. Not a one-day battle This fight will not be won on 10 July alone. In building for the ballots the message was clear from union members: this is no time for token one-day action. We demand a determined and escalating battle that delivers us a victory and a first mighty blow to the austerity agenda. In the planned further action in September, the unions must use every weapon in their armoury. Our members in academy schools, who are not part of the July action, must be given the chance to fight, as should the army of health workers in their pay dispute as our NHS is dismantled and privatised. The TUC must seize this opportunity and the massive potential it presents. Public and private sector workers alike have waited long enough to unite and fight. The opportunity for a 24-hour general strike could be just a few months away. Things could move rapidly through 10 July and beyond as a mood of confidence and angry determination ignites among workers and union leaderships must not be allowed to lag behind and dampen the flames. 10 July is the beginning of a fight we must win. For more information, or to join the Socialist Party, visit: www.socialistparty.o rg.uk SocialistParty-SomersetBranch
  • Score: 40

8:53am Thu 10 Jul 14

SocialistParty-SomersetBranch says...

End Low Pay!

Fight 'til we win!

Leaflet for 10th July strike

Visit the link below for pdf of leaflet:


http://www.socialist
party.org.uk/txt/326
.pdf
End Low Pay! Fight 'til we win! Leaflet for 10th July strike Visit the link below for pdf of leaflet: http://www.socialist party.org.uk/txt/326 .pdf SocialistParty-SomersetBranch
  • Score: 32

9:52am Thu 10 Jul 14

twinkles says...

Get back to work
Get back to work twinkles
  • Score: -48

11:10am Thu 10 Jul 14

Bernard G says...

As usual
As usual Bernard G
  • Score: -19

11:16am Thu 10 Jul 14

Bernard G says...

The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning. Bernard G
  • Score: -7

11:39am Thu 10 Jul 14

Retired and loving it says...

So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate?
So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate? Retired and loving it
  • Score: 18

12:00pm Thu 10 Jul 14

twinkles says...

I see with some degree of hilarity, "SocialistParty-Some
rsetBranch" has discovered that they can manipulate the Score of each comment, most likely by loading a private browsing session, voting, then loading another private browsing session again.

Your tricks are showing you up to be guilty of spreading propaganda.

I hope you're deeply ashamed. NOW GET BACK TO WORK.
I see with some degree of hilarity, "SocialistParty-Some rsetBranch" has discovered that they can manipulate the Score of each comment, most likely by loading a private browsing session, voting, then loading another private browsing session again. Your tricks are showing you up to be guilty of spreading propaganda. I hope you're deeply ashamed. NOW GET BACK TO WORK. twinkles
  • Score: -1

12:20pm Thu 10 Jul 14

topcataj says...

Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is. topcataj
  • Score: 16

12:27pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bernard G says...

topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.
Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected Bernard G
  • Score: -14

12:28pm Thu 10 Jul 14

david1966 says...

For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand. Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around. david1966
  • Score: 0

1:04pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mi_Coc says...

Retired and loving it wrote:
So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate?
The tiny numbers of people who bother to vote in the union ballets, like 20-40% of members. Then the even smaller 60% of the 40% that actually wanted to strike so its a minority of PS workers who wanted to strike I doubt browne is sweating a massive backlash.

Anyone you dont vote Lib dem if your public sector you vote labour and even they arent that friendly with the unions anymore.

Cant see browne getting in again!
[quote][p][bold]Retired and loving it[/bold] wrote: So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate?[/p][/quote]The tiny numbers of people who bother to vote in the union ballets, like 20-40% of members. Then the even smaller 60% of the 40% that actually wanted to strike so its a minority of PS workers who wanted to strike I doubt browne is sweating a massive backlash. Anyone you dont vote Lib dem if your public sector you vote labour and even they arent that friendly with the unions anymore. Cant see browne getting in again! Mi_Coc
  • Score: -2

1:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

topcataj says...

Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.
Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected
Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both? Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one. topcataj
  • Score: 9

1:20pm Thu 10 Jul 14

topcataj says...

david1966 wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.
Maybe the fact you've never made a stand is why many people in the private sector are moaning about their lack of a pension or poor terms and conditions etc....

For what it's worth, I don't agree with the groups striking over the pay offer, on the other hand fighting to maintain some of the other terms and conditions of employment from attack I think are very worthwhile.

The public sector has suffered and made lots of people redundant as well, and while the private sector is on the rise again, the public sector is still screwed for several more years.
[quote][p][bold]david1966[/bold] wrote: For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand. Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.[/p][/quote]Maybe the fact you've never made a stand is why many people in the private sector are moaning about their lack of a pension or poor terms and conditions etc.... For what it's worth, I don't agree with the groups striking over the pay offer, on the other hand fighting to maintain some of the other terms and conditions of employment from attack I think are very worthwhile. The public sector has suffered and made lots of people redundant as well, and while the private sector is on the rise again, the public sector is still screwed for several more years. topcataj
  • Score: 3

1:33pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Bernard G says...

topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.
Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected
Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.
PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both? Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth. Bernard G
  • Score: -10

2:38pm Thu 10 Jul 14

jellyonaplate says...

david1966 wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.
I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.
[quote][p][bold]david1966[/bold] wrote: For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand. Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy. jellyonaplate
  • Score: -2

2:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

topcataj says...

Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.
Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected
Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.
PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.
Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both? Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up. topcataj
  • Score: 18

2:44pm Thu 10 Jul 14

somerset2012 says...

jellyonaplate wrote:
david1966 wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.
I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.
I work in PS having previously worked in private sector for 28 years and I agree that the PS has had it too easy for far too long.
[quote][p][bold]jellyonaplate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]david1966[/bold] wrote: For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand. Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.[/p][/quote]I work in PS having previously worked in private sector for 28 years and I agree that the PS has had it too easy for far too long. somerset2012
  • Score: -4

2:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

MartinB58 says...

"A pay freeze in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and well below inflation rises in 2013 and 2014 has sent the pay packets of local government and school workers plummeting back to the level of the 1990s."

At least they have had pay rises. I changed job in 2011 and have not had a pay rise since. In the present economic climate people should count themselves lucky to be in work not going on strike for more money or better conditions. There are plenty of people who are unemployed that would happily work for what the public sector get.
"A pay freeze in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and well below inflation rises in 2013 and 2014 has sent the pay packets of local government and school workers plummeting back to the level of the 1990s." At least they have had pay rises. I changed job in 2011 and have not had a pay rise since. In the present economic climate people should count themselves lucky to be in work not going on strike for more money or better conditions. There are plenty of people who are unemployed that would happily work for what the public sector get. MartinB58
  • Score: -4

3:12pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Mi_Coc says...

somerset2012 wrote:
jellyonaplate wrote:
david1966 wrote:
For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand.

Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.
I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.
I work in PS having previously worked in private sector for 28 years and I agree that the PS has had it too easy for far too long.
Having worked in both i agree and most public sector orgs are top heavy management wise and they are overpaid only look as scc as an example and see how many folk earn 80K plus a year, to manage a budget and cant even do that!

13k-160k its mad as a pay scale.
[quote][p][bold]somerset2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jellyonaplate[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]david1966[/bold] wrote: For god sakes just grow up and get back to work. I have not had a pay rise for 7+ years or any form of bonus - did I strike/refuse to go in, no way you just knuckle down and get on with the job in hand. Mind you its a nice sunny day to be sat around.[/p][/quote]I totally agree with this comment. Too much winging about the work and not enough doing it. Just do what the private sector does and get your head down and get on with it. You've had it too easy.[/p][/quote]I work in PS having previously worked in private sector for 28 years and I agree that the PS has had it too easy for far too long.[/p][/quote]Having worked in both i agree and most public sector orgs are top heavy management wise and they are overpaid only look as scc as an example and see how many folk earn 80K plus a year, to manage a budget and cant even do that! 13k-160k its mad as a pay scale. Mi_Coc
  • Score: -5

3:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

DorisDoolots says...

93% of us are not striking I suspect because we can't afford to lose a days pay!
93% of us are not striking I suspect because we can't afford to lose a days pay! DorisDoolots
  • Score: 19

7:11pm Thu 10 Jul 14

ladybird14 says...

Retired and loving it wrote:
So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate?
he is telling you facts everybody got it hard ,you will be on a better wage than a lot us and we have to make ends meet and still pay our mortgage, bills etc so welcome to the real world either do job or get out !!! STOP messing around with us that are trying to work by having to take time off because of you lot !! WHY is it you don't see the ARMY on strike have you ever thought about that its because they are not allowed to but they put their LIFES ON THE LINE FOR YOU /ME and they have to put and shut up and all you do is sit in a class room moving your mouths and getting lots of holiday nearly a much as SANTA!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Retired and loving it[/bold] wrote: So, our MP Jeremy Browne condemns those on strike today? I hope people remember his comments next year when he stands for re-election? An MP who doesn't support his electorate?[/p][/quote]he is telling you facts everybody got it hard ,you will be on a better wage than a lot us and we have to make ends meet and still pay our mortgage, bills etc so welcome to the real world either do job or get out !!! STOP messing around with us that are trying to work by having to take time off because of you lot !! WHY is it you don't see the ARMY on strike have you ever thought about that its because they are not allowed to but they put their LIFES ON THE LINE FOR YOU /ME and they have to put and shut up and all you do is sit in a class room moving your mouths and getting lots of holiday nearly a much as SANTA!!!! ladybird14
  • Score: -15

7:34pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Guy Smiley says...

Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!!

Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off.

Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time.

What sector has the highest %of employees in final salary, index linked, low contribution pension schemes? PUBLIC!!

It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track!

Lazy.
Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!! Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off. Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time. What sector has the highest %of employees in final salary, index linked, low contribution pension schemes? PUBLIC!! It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track! Lazy. Guy Smiley
  • Score: -7

7:40pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Guy Smiley says...

Just one question....?

Did anyone notice these workshy fops having a day's unpaid holiday?
Just one question....? Did anyone notice these workshy fops having a day's unpaid holiday? Guy Smiley
  • Score: -12

7:42pm Thu 10 Jul 14

somerset2012 says...

Guy Smiley wrote:
Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!!

Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off.

Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time.

What sector has the highest %of employees in final salary, index linked, low contribution pension schemes? PUBLIC!!

It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track!

Lazy.
Tell it how it is. You a 100% correct. Well done for saying what I think every day I got to work at CH
[quote][p][bold]Guy Smiley[/bold] wrote: Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!! Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off. Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time. What sector has the highest %of employees in final salary, index linked, low contribution pension schemes? PUBLIC!! It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track! Lazy.[/p][/quote]Tell it how it is. You a 100% correct. Well done for saying what I think every day I got to work at CH somerset2012
  • Score: -4

11:18pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Blue Owl says...

I heard an interview on the Lunchtime News, and the Strikng Woman , said that they were being forced now to do 2 people's jobs as others had been made redundant, lucky for them, that there still was a job for her to do, and I'm sure that up until her Job Changed, she was not as Constructive as she should have been. Because had she been, there would be no way that she could physically take on the Extra Workload.
They get no Sympathy from me, I've been Self Employed for the Last 18 years, No Payrises, Shrinking Pension Pot, unlike these Public Sector Workers. Gold Plated Pensions. / existing Salaries that the Private Sector would Love to earn, in the Open Market place that we have to compete against.
Get back to work, and stop ruining the Economy, you and your Unions, have I thing in Mind , !!! To Bring Down Our Conservative Government @ What ever Costs.............. The Unions, want the Beer and Sandwiches, or Lobster and Caviar, and a game of Croquette @ Chequers with Prescott !!
David L Preece
Blue -Owl
I heard an interview on the Lunchtime News, and the Strikng Woman , said that they were being forced now to do 2 people's jobs as others had been made redundant, lucky for them, that there still was a job for her to do, and I'm sure that up until her Job Changed, she was not as Constructive as she should have been. Because had she been, there would be no way that she could physically take on the Extra Workload. They get no Sympathy from me, I've been Self Employed for the Last 18 years, No Payrises, Shrinking Pension Pot, unlike these Public Sector Workers. Gold Plated Pensions. / existing Salaries that the Private Sector would Love to earn, in the Open Market place that we have to compete against. Get back to work, and stop ruining the Economy, you and your Unions, have I thing in Mind , !!! To Bring Down Our Conservative Government @ What ever Costs.............. The Unions, want the Beer and Sandwiches, or Lobster and Caviar, and a game of Croquette @ Chequers with Prescott !! David L Preece Blue -Owl Blue Owl
  • Score: -3

1:24am Fri 11 Jul 14

ladybird14 says...

either do the job in hand or get OUT and give it to someone that will you make me sick !!!YOU DON''T KNOW WHAT HARD WORK IS !!
either do the job in hand or get OUT and give it to someone that will you make me sick !!!YOU DON''T KNOW WHAT HARD WORK IS !! ladybird14
  • Score: -5

7:59am Fri 11 Jul 14

Bernard G says...

topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.
Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected
Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.
PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.
Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.
Seems the general perception is that the strike was not a success and did not win general public support although no doubt the socialist cronies will put that down to press bias and hysteria - ...............when it suits
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both? Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.[/p][/quote]Seems the general perception is that the strike was not a success and did not win general public support although no doubt the socialist cronies will put that down to press bias and hysteria - ...............when it suits Bernard G
  • Score: -3

10:04am Fri 11 Jul 14

topcataj says...

Guy Smiley wrote:
Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!!

Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off.

Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time.

What sector has the highest %of employees in final salary, index linked, low contribution pension schemes? PUBLIC!!

It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track!

Lazy.
There is potential for flexi to be abused as there is potential for people working in offices without flexi time to abuse their hours. I've seen both happen.

Some parts of the private sector are very strict on sick leave to the point of being unfair while others are pretty slack. A former housemate was 'off sick' from his private sector job for something like a year. There was nothing wrong with him but he was able to get signed off by a doctor every month for 'depression', got sick pay the entire time.
And there are some controls in at least parts of the public sector now, not as strict as supermarkets appear to be but apparently people who are off regularly are supposed to get looked in to.

I'll freely admit I've worked with some people in Public Sector who are work shy and should be sacked, but I've seen the same in Private Sector. I've also seen a number of people who work very hard in the public sector and have regularly lost flexi hours because they built up too many and lost them.
[quote][p][bold]Guy Smiley[/bold] wrote: Does flexi-time exist in the private sector? i.e. pretend to work through your lunch hour everyday and then - hey presto - Friday off!! Do you get almost unquestioned sick leave in the private sector? Nope. Anything over 3% absence usually ends up with an "interview". You have to go some to get 3% from the odd day off. Is the sickness rate in public sector higher than private? You betcha!! Almost 3x higher. You'll get the c**p that it's more stressful working in public sector.......yeah, must be terrible working out how to use that flexi time. What sector has the highest %of employees in final salary, index linked, low contribution pension schemes? PUBLIC!! It's a joke. Get used to the real world, get out of the 1970's and work with everyone to get everything back on track! Lazy.[/p][/quote]There is potential for flexi to be abused as there is potential for people working in offices without flexi time to abuse their hours. I've seen both happen. Some parts of the private sector are very strict on sick leave to the point of being unfair while others are pretty slack. A former housemate was 'off sick' from his private sector job for something like a year. There was nothing wrong with him but he was able to get signed off by a doctor every month for 'depression', got sick pay the entire time. And there are some controls in at least parts of the public sector now, not as strict as supermarkets appear to be but apparently people who are off regularly are supposed to get looked in to. I'll freely admit I've worked with some people in Public Sector who are work shy and should be sacked, but I've seen the same in Private Sector. I've also seen a number of people who work very hard in the public sector and have regularly lost flexi hours because they built up too many and lost them. topcataj
  • Score: 6

12:28pm Fri 11 Jul 14

duckface08 says...

I have worked in private and public sectors ,when my public sector post was privatised we were very sure that things wouldn't change as we were already busy carrying out our tasks. How wrong we were. Much duplication/waste was scrapped and the whole enterprise took on a more professional attitude. We didn't realise we had been living in the old days. A point of interest to the public sector workers----how many private sector workers are in receipt of annual increments as many of you are, a pay rise under another name.
I have worked in private and public sectors ,when my public sector post was privatised we were very sure that things wouldn't change as we were already busy carrying out our tasks. How wrong we were. Much duplication/waste was scrapped and the whole enterprise took on a more professional attitude. We didn't realise we had been living in the old days. A point of interest to the public sector workers----how many private sector workers are in receipt of annual increments as many of you are, a pay rise under another name. duckface08
  • Score: -5

12:33pm Fri 11 Jul 14

RightToAnOpinion says...

topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.
Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected
Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.
PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.
Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.
Why do certain people insist on bandying the term Troll or Trolling against anyone who disagrees with them and voices that disagreement, if anything the ones who use the term so freely are surely guilty of being a little intellectually immature as they are clearly have difficulty engaging in an adult disagreement.
[quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both? Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.[/p][/quote]Why do certain people insist on bandying the term Troll or Trolling against anyone who disagrees with them and voices that disagreement, if anything the ones who use the term so freely are surely guilty of being a little intellectually immature as they are clearly have difficulty engaging in an adult disagreement. RightToAnOpinion
  • Score: -15

1:50pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Mi_Coc says...

Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.
Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected
Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.
PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.
Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.
Seems the general perception is that the strike was not a success and did not win general public support although no doubt the socialist cronies will put that down to press bias and hysteria - ...............when it suits
No I think the unions are **** in the wind.

Most members of the public are private sector workers in which most have not had a pay rise and have see costs rise. They don't expect a pay rise so why should the public sector and if they have kids at school they have had to sort that problem out to.

If there not private or public sector they are on benefits and they have been squeezed either way unless your one the handful of london bankers who are back in business the rest of the population wont take much sympathy when they know the public sector still gets a good pension.
[quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both? Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.[/p][/quote]Seems the general perception is that the strike was not a success and did not win general public support although no doubt the socialist cronies will put that down to press bias and hysteria - ...............when it suits[/p][/quote]No I think the unions are **** in the wind. Most members of the public are private sector workers in which most have not had a pay rise and have see costs rise. They don't expect a pay rise so why should the public sector and if they have kids at school they have had to sort that problem out to. If there not private or public sector they are on benefits and they have been squeezed either way unless your one the handful of london bankers who are back in business the rest of the population wont take much sympathy when they know the public sector still gets a good pension. Mi_Coc
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2:44pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Bernard G says...

RightToAnOpinion wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
topcataj wrote:
Bernard G wrote:
The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.
It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.
Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected
Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both?

Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.
PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.
Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.
Why do certain people insist on bandying the term Troll or Trolling against anyone who disagrees with them and voices that disagreement, if anything the ones who use the term so freely are surely guilty of being a little intellectually immature as they are clearly have difficulty engaging in an adult disagreement.
I dont even know what a troll is - I never got around to asking topcat - I just thought it was some kind of mindless insult!
[quote][p][bold]RightToAnOpinion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]topcataj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bernard G[/bold] wrote: The envious socialists with a chip on their shoulder are out in force again then. Excessive pay rises and "job creation" schemes invented by the last government for their voters, inflation linked final salary pension schemes. Come on you all know you're on a good screw and now you dont like it when you get reined back to some semblance of the reality the private sector has had to face since 2008. Get back to work and stop moaning.[/p][/quote]It's amazing how people's perceptions can differ so much from reality. These sort of comments could only come from someone who has never tried working in the public sector. Which is surprising considering how easy a life they think it is.[/p][/quote]Typical response then from topcataj, surprised it took so long for an such an uneducated comment to appear, only to be expected[/p][/quote]Uneducated, despite the fact I've worked in both the public and private sector including having been paid poorly in both, been treated badly in both and been made redundant in both? Based on that experience, I don't think I'm the uneducated one.[/p][/quote]PS workers just don't like listening to the truth.[/p][/quote]Making wild tabloid claims doesn't make them true, I'll assume you're just being a troll unless you can actually back them up.[/p][/quote]Why do certain people insist on bandying the term Troll or Trolling against anyone who disagrees with them and voices that disagreement, if anything the ones who use the term so freely are surely guilty of being a little intellectually immature as they are clearly have difficulty engaging in an adult disagreement.[/p][/quote]I dont even know what a troll is - I never got around to asking topcat - I just thought it was some kind of mindless insult! Bernard G
  • Score: -3

10:10am Sun 13 Jul 14

ladybird14 says...

what sort of example are showing the children ?
what sort of example are showing the children ? ladybird14
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10:47am Tue 15 Jul 14

Mi_Coc says...

ladybird14 wrote:
what sort of example are showing the children ?
they don't worry its more about the unions still trying show they have power which they don't but got to do something to justify there fees!

The problem in general with the uk be it private or public sector is wages at the bottom end and top a very disproportionate.

Why should someone earning £130k get 3-4% increase to keep up with the cost of living.

On the other hand those on less £20k should be getting a rise to help of maybe 10% it should be looked at in that way.
[quote][p][bold]ladybird14[/bold] wrote: what sort of example are showing the children ?[/p][/quote]they don't worry its more about the unions still trying show they have power which they don't but got to do something to justify there fees! The problem in general with the uk be it private or public sector is wages at the bottom end and top a very disproportionate. Why should someone earning £130k get 3-4% increase to keep up with the cost of living. On the other hand those on less £20k should be getting a rise to help of maybe 10% it should be looked at in that way. Mi_Coc
  • Score: -2

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