Accident on A38 near World's End pub

Accident on A38 near World's End pub

Accident on A38 near World's End pub

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Emergency services have been called to an accident on the A38 toward Wellington this evening (June 12).

The accident, which involved a car and a bike, happened at the crossroads near The World's End pub at around 5.50pm.

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11:30pm Thu 12 Jun 14

taunton24 says...

Very dangerous junction. Needs lights here as you have cars coming out from 5 directions at times.
Very dangerous junction. Needs lights here as you have cars coming out from 5 directions at times. taunton24
  • Score: 5

6:54am Fri 13 Jun 14

Little_Owly says...

Or a roundabout.
Or a roundabout. Little_Owly
  • Score: 4

3:34pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Freespeech?. says...

A roundabout and some lights. That will help with the traffic flow.
A roundabout and some lights. That will help with the traffic flow. Freespeech?.
  • Score: -4

8:25pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Dr Dave says...

No room for a roundabout and traffic lights will never go there, from the horses mouth. The 30mph limit should have stayed at this busy and dangerous junction.
No room for a roundabout and traffic lights will never go there, from the horses mouth. The 30mph limit should have stayed at this busy and dangerous junction. Dr Dave
  • Score: 4

9:26pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Jamesey says...

I saw this accident happen. Luckily, the motorcyclist didn't appear to be badly hurt.

This is a dangerous junction. I can understand why a roundabout and traffic lights aren't feasible, but a reconfiguration to improve visibility could be carried out.
I saw this accident happen. Luckily, the motorcyclist didn't appear to be badly hurt. This is a dangerous junction. I can understand why a roundabout and traffic lights aren't feasible, but a reconfiguration to improve visibility could be carried out. Jamesey
  • Score: 2

9:26am Mon 16 Jun 14

topcataj says...

I don't think improving visibility would help too much, it's just a very busy road with almost constant traffic between Taunton and Wellington. Improving visibility doesn't make more gaps for people to pull out from the side roads and reducing the speed limit might just cause cars to bunch up more and remove some of the gaps that would otherwise exist.

It's been a difficult junction for a long long time but with 3 offset side road junctions and limited space, I don't think the solution is as trivial as some would like to make it.
I don't think improving visibility would help too much, it's just a very busy road with almost constant traffic between Taunton and Wellington. Improving visibility doesn't make more gaps for people to pull out from the side roads and reducing the speed limit might just cause cars to bunch up more and remove some of the gaps that would otherwise exist. It's been a difficult junction for a long long time but with 3 offset side road junctions and limited space, I don't think the solution is as trivial as some would like to make it. topcataj
  • Score: 1

7:43am Tue 17 Jun 14

Anonone says...

1 Close it off and force traffic to motorway roundabout. Longer journey but this is a death trap and something has to be done
2 Knock down World's End to increase visibility
3 Make new junction to West Buckland through the girls to the East of Willowbrook
Is anyone in Somerset Highways actually investigating options, for things can only get worse. Perhaps consult the traffic light company and use a BOGOFF
1 Close it off and force traffic to motorway roundabout. Longer journey but this is a death trap and something has to be done 2 Knock down World's End to increase visibility 3 Make new junction to West Buckland through the girls to the East of Willowbrook Is anyone in Somerset Highways actually investigating options, for things can only get worse. Perhaps consult the traffic light company and use a BOGOFF Anonone
  • Score: -11

7:45am Tue 17 Jun 14

Anonone says...

Last post should read 'fields' not 'girls'!
Last post should read 'fields' not 'girls'! Anonone
  • Score: -4

9:17am Tue 17 Jun 14

topcataj says...

If you don't have a sensible suggestion it'd be better to keep quiet, it doesn't exactly help the situation to come up with crazy ideas that couldn't possibly work and just makes 'comments from the public' look stupid to those actually doing the planning/work.
If you don't have a sensible suggestion it'd be better to keep quiet, it doesn't exactly help the situation to come up with crazy ideas that couldn't possibly work and just makes 'comments from the public' look stupid to those actually doing the planning/work. topcataj
  • Score: 3

12:15pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Anonone says...

Ooh err, Bighead, get off your high horse or is it a cat?
None of the suggestions were intended to be spurious, more discussion points, but the question remains the same. Is someone in the road traffic industry investigating how to improve this death trap junction or not BEFORE there is a multiple pile up ? If you are able to offer something YOU consider to be more constructive then please do.
Of course if you have the time, you could tell us why any of the ideas are crazy. The Worlds End IS an obstruction and in truth the amount of development in West Buckland should not have been allowed without thought of the traffic increase
Opening up a new road in the fields east of Willowbrook, or east of the Worlds End, would give access onto a straight piece of road with good visibility
Of the ideas I would plump for traffic lights, one of the less controversial Deane placements, and cheapest option.
Something must be done.
At the moment there is nothing, not even permanent flashing warning lights and a crash even at 30 could be fatal as it has been in the past. How long do the planners need, perhaps you have an inside view.
Ooh err, Bighead, get off your high horse or is it a cat? None of the suggestions were intended to be spurious, more discussion points, but the question remains the same. Is someone in the road traffic industry investigating how to improve this death trap junction or not BEFORE there is a multiple pile up ? If you are able to offer something YOU consider to be more constructive then please do. Of course if you have the time, you could tell us why any of the ideas are crazy. The Worlds End IS an obstruction and in truth the amount of development in West Buckland should not have been allowed without thought of the traffic increase Opening up a new road in the fields east of Willowbrook, or east of the Worlds End, would give access onto a straight piece of road with good visibility Of the ideas I would plump for traffic lights, one of the less controversial Deane placements, and cheapest option. Something must be done. At the moment there is nothing, not even permanent flashing warning lights and a crash even at 30 could be fatal as it has been in the past. How long do the planners need, perhaps you have an inside view. Anonone
  • Score: -3

12:32pm Tue 17 Jun 14

swjoduk says...

How many times, road junctions are not dangerous themselves. What creates danger is people driving too fast both for the speed limit and the conditions and people making eroneous judgements such as speed and distance of approaching cars and/or pulling out without looking properly or too slowly.

The Council did a lot of work at this junction years ago which included lowering the speed limit to 50, yellow backed staggered junction warning signs, slow road markings with rumble strips etc

There is only so much that can be done. Whilst lowering the speed limit could reduce accident speeds, this is only if they are not abused and someone made a good point about lower speed limits bunch cars up.

There probably aren't enough traffic movements to warrant lights and there is not enough room to put in a roundabout.

If people didn't abuse speed limits, paid attention, kept off their mobiles, didn't spend most of the time talking instead of concentrating on the road ahead, didn't drink and drive, kept their vehicles roadworthy, didn't make errors of judgement and actually realised that the machines they are under control of have the potential to kill then, maybe, but only maybe, collisions would reduce.
How many times, road junctions are not dangerous themselves. What creates danger is people driving too fast both for the speed limit and the conditions and people making eroneous judgements such as speed and distance of approaching cars and/or pulling out without looking properly or too slowly. The Council did a lot of work at this junction years ago which included lowering the speed limit to 50, yellow backed staggered junction warning signs, slow road markings with rumble strips etc There is only so much that can be done. Whilst lowering the speed limit could reduce accident speeds, this is only if they are not abused and someone made a good point about lower speed limits bunch cars up. There probably aren't enough traffic movements to warrant lights and there is not enough room to put in a roundabout. If people didn't abuse speed limits, paid attention, kept off their mobiles, didn't spend most of the time talking instead of concentrating on the road ahead, didn't drink and drive, kept their vehicles roadworthy, didn't make errors of judgement and actually realised that the machines they are under control of have the potential to kill then, maybe, but only maybe, collisions would reduce. swjoduk
  • Score: 9

1:49pm Tue 17 Jun 14

topcataj says...

Anonone wrote:
Ooh err, Bighead, get off your high horse or is it a cat?
None of the suggestions were intended to be spurious, more discussion points, but the question remains the same. Is someone in the road traffic industry investigating how to improve this death trap junction or not BEFORE there is a multiple pile up ? If you are able to offer something YOU consider to be more constructive then please do.
Of course if you have the time, you could tell us why any of the ideas are crazy. The Worlds End IS an obstruction and in truth the amount of development in West Buckland should not have been allowed without thought of the traffic increase
Opening up a new road in the fields east of Willowbrook, or east of the Worlds End, would give access onto a straight piece of road with good visibility
Of the ideas I would plump for traffic lights, one of the less controversial Deane placements, and cheapest option.
Something must be done.
At the moment there is nothing, not even permanent flashing warning lights and a crash even at 30 could be fatal as it has been in the past. How long do the planners need, perhaps you have an inside view.
Lets have a look at your 'suggestions'.
1. Close 1 side road out of 3 off and force people from that direction to take a longer route. Ignoring the distance because that isn't a big deal, that still leaves 2 side roads with people trying to get out on to a busy main road... and the road from the motorway into the village is a lot narrower....

2. Knock down someone's business to improve visibility. So, even if it was decided it was such a critical need to actually consider that a viable option, you presumably want the tax payer to cough up quite a large amount of money to compensate the owners while also upsetting the owners and no doubt many local people.

3. Buy up a load of land off local farmers and build a brand new road further up the busy main road. Once again, massive cost and for what benefit, moving 1 road junction to another location on the busy road while the other 2 stay as they are.

In comparison to those suggestions, yes traffic lights would be cheaper! But still cost many thousands of pounds with some complex layout due to the offset nature of the junctions no doubt.

Overall, it is a dodgy junction which is difficult for people coming from Bradford-on-Tone or West Buckland. However, I'm not sure I'd call it a death trap. There have been a number of smaller accidents there but it's not like people are constantly being seriously injured or killed.

I don't have any particular ideas on solutions, as I said in a previous comment, I don't think it's a trivial problem to fix.

As swjoduk says, some work has been done on that junction and the A38 along there in general, but they were pretty limited by funds and options so it was mostly about signs and lines improvements.
Because of that, it may be that there are no current thoughts about doing more to the location though perhaps a file somewhere has some notes about options previously considered.

What isn't going to help is people moaning at planners or Somerset Highways with wild statements asking why they aren't carrying our multi-million pound developments all over the road network. Unfortunately other people who might have more serious, useful ideas might just get lumped in with those 'stupid public comments' category because the people looking at this stuff have gotten tired of reading terrible ideas that are never going to be viable.
[quote][p][bold]Anonone[/bold] wrote: Ooh err, Bighead, get off your high horse or is it a cat? None of the suggestions were intended to be spurious, more discussion points, but the question remains the same. Is someone in the road traffic industry investigating how to improve this death trap junction or not BEFORE there is a multiple pile up ? If you are able to offer something YOU consider to be more constructive then please do. Of course if you have the time, you could tell us why any of the ideas are crazy. The Worlds End IS an obstruction and in truth the amount of development in West Buckland should not have been allowed without thought of the traffic increase Opening up a new road in the fields east of Willowbrook, or east of the Worlds End, would give access onto a straight piece of road with good visibility Of the ideas I would plump for traffic lights, one of the less controversial Deane placements, and cheapest option. Something must be done. At the moment there is nothing, not even permanent flashing warning lights and a crash even at 30 could be fatal as it has been in the past. How long do the planners need, perhaps you have an inside view.[/p][/quote]Lets have a look at your 'suggestions'. 1. Close 1 side road out of 3 off and force people from that direction to take a longer route. Ignoring the distance because that isn't a big deal, that still leaves 2 side roads with people trying to get out on to a busy main road... and the road from the motorway into the village is a lot narrower.... 2. Knock down someone's business to improve visibility. So, even if it was decided it was such a critical need to actually consider that a viable option, you presumably want the tax payer to cough up quite a large amount of money to compensate the owners while also upsetting the owners and no doubt many local people. 3. Buy up a load of land off local farmers and build a brand new road further up the busy main road. Once again, massive cost and for what benefit, moving 1 road junction to another location on the busy road while the other 2 stay as they are. In comparison to those suggestions, yes traffic lights would be cheaper! But still cost many thousands of pounds with some complex layout due to the offset nature of the junctions no doubt. Overall, it is a dodgy junction which is difficult for people coming from Bradford-on-Tone or West Buckland. However, I'm not sure I'd call it a death trap. There have been a number of smaller accidents there but it's not like people are constantly being seriously injured or killed. I don't have any particular ideas on solutions, as I said in a previous comment, I don't think it's a trivial problem to fix. As swjoduk says, some work has been done on that junction and the A38 along there in general, but they were pretty limited by funds and options so it was mostly about signs and lines improvements. Because of that, it may be that there are no current thoughts about doing more to the location though perhaps a file somewhere has some notes about options previously considered. What isn't going to help is people moaning at planners or Somerset Highways with wild statements asking why they aren't carrying our multi-million pound developments all over the road network. Unfortunately other people who might have more serious, useful ideas might just get lumped in with those 'stupid public comments' category because the people looking at this stuff have gotten tired of reading terrible ideas that are never going to be viable. topcataj
  • Score: 1

11:00pm Tue 17 Jun 14

taunton24 says...

swjoduk wrote:
How many times, road junctions are not dangerous themselves. What creates danger is people driving too fast both for the speed limit and the conditions and people making eroneous judgements such as speed and distance of approaching cars and/or pulling out without looking properly or too slowly.

The Council did a lot of work at this junction years ago which included lowering the speed limit to 50, yellow backed staggered junction warning signs, slow road markings with rumble strips etc

There is only so much that can be done. Whilst lowering the speed limit could reduce accident speeds, this is only if they are not abused and someone made a good point about lower speed limits bunch cars up.

There probably aren't enough traffic movements to warrant lights and there is not enough room to put in a roundabout.

If people didn't abuse speed limits, paid attention, kept off their mobiles, didn't spend most of the time talking instead of concentrating on the road ahead, didn't drink and drive, kept their vehicles roadworthy, didn't make errors of judgement and actually realised that the machines they are under control of have the potential to kill then, maybe, but only maybe, collisions would reduce.
Have you tried to get out of this junction coming from Oake direction in the morning rush hour? It's nothing to do with speed, but the volume of traffic and traffic coming out from 3 different turnings onto a main road. When turning out onto the main road you are trying to negotiate 4 lots of traffic at times.
[quote][p][bold]swjoduk[/bold] wrote: How many times, road junctions are not dangerous themselves. What creates danger is people driving too fast both for the speed limit and the conditions and people making eroneous judgements such as speed and distance of approaching cars and/or pulling out without looking properly or too slowly. The Council did a lot of work at this junction years ago which included lowering the speed limit to 50, yellow backed staggered junction warning signs, slow road markings with rumble strips etc There is only so much that can be done. Whilst lowering the speed limit could reduce accident speeds, this is only if they are not abused and someone made a good point about lower speed limits bunch cars up. There probably aren't enough traffic movements to warrant lights and there is not enough room to put in a roundabout. If people didn't abuse speed limits, paid attention, kept off their mobiles, didn't spend most of the time talking instead of concentrating on the road ahead, didn't drink and drive, kept their vehicles roadworthy, didn't make errors of judgement and actually realised that the machines they are under control of have the potential to kill then, maybe, but only maybe, collisions would reduce.[/p][/quote]Have you tried to get out of this junction coming from Oake direction in the morning rush hour? It's nothing to do with speed, but the volume of traffic and traffic coming out from 3 different turnings onto a main road. When turning out onto the main road you are trying to negotiate 4 lots of traffic at times. taunton24
  • Score: 3

11:18pm Tue 17 Jun 14

Anonone says...

swjoduk is always bleating on about driver error and lack of skill. There is more to it than that at this junction. Turning right from West Buckland to Taunton is a gamble each and every time, whether speed limits are being adhered or not. You take the plunge and the notice your opposite number from Oake is taking the same gamble
Awful.
swjoduk is always bleating on about driver error and lack of skill. There is more to it than that at this junction. Turning right from West Buckland to Taunton is a gamble each and every time, whether speed limits are being adhered or not. You take the plunge and the notice your opposite number from Oake is taking the same gamble Awful. Anonone
  • Score: 6

1:22pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Mi_Coc says...

taunton24 wrote:
swjoduk wrote:
How many times, road junctions are not dangerous themselves. What creates danger is people driving too fast both for the speed limit and the conditions and people making eroneous judgements such as speed and distance of approaching cars and/or pulling out without looking properly or too slowly.

The Council did a lot of work at this junction years ago which included lowering the speed limit to 50, yellow backed staggered junction warning signs, slow road markings with rumble strips etc

There is only so much that can be done. Whilst lowering the speed limit could reduce accident speeds, this is only if they are not abused and someone made a good point about lower speed limits bunch cars up.

There probably aren't enough traffic movements to warrant lights and there is not enough room to put in a roundabout.

If people didn't abuse speed limits, paid attention, kept off their mobiles, didn't spend most of the time talking instead of concentrating on the road ahead, didn't drink and drive, kept their vehicles roadworthy, didn't make errors of judgement and actually realised that the machines they are under control of have the potential to kill then, maybe, but only maybe, collisions would reduce.
Have you tried to get out of this junction coming from Oake direction in the morning rush hour? It's nothing to do with speed, but the volume of traffic and traffic coming out from 3 different turnings onto a main road. When turning out onto the main road you are trying to negotiate 4 lots of traffic at times.
yeh not much fun!

was heading back towards taunton and without warning someone pulled out in front of me!

Its not ideal.
[quote][p][bold]taunton24[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]swjoduk[/bold] wrote: How many times, road junctions are not dangerous themselves. What creates danger is people driving too fast both for the speed limit and the conditions and people making eroneous judgements such as speed and distance of approaching cars and/or pulling out without looking properly or too slowly. The Council did a lot of work at this junction years ago which included lowering the speed limit to 50, yellow backed staggered junction warning signs, slow road markings with rumble strips etc There is only so much that can be done. Whilst lowering the speed limit could reduce accident speeds, this is only if they are not abused and someone made a good point about lower speed limits bunch cars up. There probably aren't enough traffic movements to warrant lights and there is not enough room to put in a roundabout. If people didn't abuse speed limits, paid attention, kept off their mobiles, didn't spend most of the time talking instead of concentrating on the road ahead, didn't drink and drive, kept their vehicles roadworthy, didn't make errors of judgement and actually realised that the machines they are under control of have the potential to kill then, maybe, but only maybe, collisions would reduce.[/p][/quote]Have you tried to get out of this junction coming from Oake direction in the morning rush hour? It's nothing to do with speed, but the volume of traffic and traffic coming out from 3 different turnings onto a main road. When turning out onto the main road you are trying to negotiate 4 lots of traffic at times.[/p][/quote]yeh not much fun! was heading back towards taunton and without warning someone pulled out in front of me! Its not ideal. Mi_Coc
  • Score: -1

2:49pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Freespeech?. says...

Put some barriers up manned by men in little white huts that can control the traffic 24/7. Best solution ever.
Put some barriers up manned by men in little white huts that can control the traffic 24/7. Best solution ever. Freespeech?.
  • Score: -1

3:04pm Thu 19 Jun 14

Anonone says...

Freespeech?. wrote:
Put some barriers up manned by men in little white huts that can control the traffic 24/7. Best solution ever.
Careful in case you annoy topcataj who seems to want to control contributors
[quote][p][bold]Freespeech?.[/bold] wrote: Put some barriers up manned by men in little white huts that can control the traffic 24/7. Best solution ever.[/p][/quote]Careful in case you annoy topcataj who seems to want to control contributors Anonone
  • Score: -1

7:06pm Thu 19 Jun 14

ANNE ELK says...

I think knocking down The Worlds End is a good idea, it's a **** hole.
I think knocking down The Worlds End is a good idea, it's a **** hole. ANNE ELK
  • Score: -1

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